workers, they are no doubt about it. >> at this point, i know kasich the governor of ohio on last night. they make excellent points, they say, look, we don't have any more money, okay? we can't do this anymore. public service unions are going to hold us hostage teachers, firefighters, this and that and a lot of the states are exempting wisconsin firefighters and cops are exempted from all of this. okay. we can't operate. and the towns can't operate anymore. so there it becomes a urgency issue and theory goes flying right out the window. they don't have the money. >> bill, i would say a couple of things in response to that one, the middle class did not get us into this problem. this is a revenue issue. >> bill: it doesn't matter. >> it does matter because if you are then going to go after them to solve a problem that they didn't cause, that doesn't make sense. walker has actually -- he has actually added to the deficit with $130 million in corporate tax breaks. >> bill: he has to do that to attract jobs to his state. >> not at all. the issue right now is that companies are stockpiling money.